61 00 006 WT Performing vehicle diagnosis test Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Hi, I own a 2012 BMW X1 that recently developed a timing chain problem. I have the alignment tool to lock the crankshaft, camshafts and impulse sending wheel. I cannot seize why the 320i has the issue however 220i should be similar engine N20 and not listed is it because of different KWH or what ? You only touched an accessories belt part. or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? Tried test with ista for vanos solenoid test removed solenoid stiff does not move when activated. I have a 2013 N20 engine in my X3 and want to remove the actuators to either clean or replace. Any help would be appreciated This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. Code 131401 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS exhaust cold start not controllable, Your problem could be a programming issue or it could could both vanos units as per sib bulletin 12 14 12, Hello, I replaced the oil filter, inspected the oil filter basket and the green O ring at the bottom. You think BMWNA would cover timing chain here if brought in for inspection? I dont want to sell the car because nobody is going to give me what I bought it for. The 7 years/70000 miles extended limited warranty follows the VIN, so if the 2015 X3 is on the list, the N20/N26 engine will be covered. I just can't find a procedure on removing the valve cover and locking down the cams. Just to be clear, there are two different parts of the VANOS solenoids on the N20. My service guy called and told me to sell the car immediately because oil wasnt circulating through the engine and eventually it would seize. 131501 Variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) intake, cold start: not controllable. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. is there a chance that he is wrong? There were no faults. The ticking noise is normal on all N20 engine during cold start and then it get quieter when it warms up,,,what Im more worried about if the car has a whining noise and also trying to get the timing chain and rails replaced under BMW extended warranty. Ive got a 2014 320i with 36,000 miles. Just realized the cut off is February 2015, not 2014. Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable Great blog here..dear BMWTech amy idea of the failure rate of the N20/26 timing chain..is it 30%? The Bank 1 on the definition refers to the side of the engine that has the cylinder #1. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). I havent been sleeping well. The tensioner sometime start to malfunctioning due to lack of motor oil (it is actioned by the oil pressure). What me be causing this? Sorry for the confusion, No, There has to be a reason. Or will my timing chain, etc. Hello! Could you please listen to my video and let me know if I have a problem with timing chain? hello i have a 2013 bmw x3 from a family friend with n20 Nope,,,,its up to the dealership to make the call for BMW if they will fix the timing chain issue on your car under the TSB. Ok Ill do that. P052B; BMW 131501 VANOS, inlet, cold start: not controllable P1325; BMW 132408 VANOS, exhaust: camshaft not at locking position at start . December 2013 However I did pay out of pocket to replace by valve cover gasket at a BMW dealership 2 years ago. I went to the shop today to see what codes it was and i got a code: P13C0. Yann Wehrling, vice-prsident de la rgion le-de-France, charg de la Transition cologique, et Patrice Leclerc, maire de Gennevilliers et Prsident du groupe Front De Gauche la . your input is much apreciated, There a BMW sib 12 15 13 which says this problem is due to a software issue with the DME ,,,,you need to program the vehicle,,,,you can see the bulletin on the Internet. Having the same. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. Got it replaced for half of the price in warranty, consider also the timing chain replace if needed. Thank you, Rev match I say problem. . N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Do you think it has to do something with the timing belt. The exhaust cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0.6/-9, 20/17, 11/9, 20/17. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. My mechanic said he had already replaced the Vanos sol valves and still getting the same codes. Only in eco or comfort mode when I drive carefully or just keeping a normal speed at low rpm. It possible a software issue,,,we have seen that before. New chain and guides and so far no problems. Do you think is this something related to eccentric shaft sensor? How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? Ill check my gas cap but I need to clear this code. due to a low oil pressure and chain noise.now iam having inlet and outlet vanos dtc . Stop and starting the car there is no difference. When the VANOS units were removed there was no visible trash. repairs to the engine valve train assembly. reference point is the same? 1d2404 Map thermostat, activation, line disconnection 2012 bmw 528xi n20 replaced timing chain, guide and crank 2012 bmw 528xi n20 replaced timing chain, guide and crank sprocket. Thanks for this. has reduced power output. Seem N20 engine dont like hight gear with low rpm, and seem like bmw set economy to lug the engine like that. So I was just under by kilometers and by time (Delivery was Aug 2012). The BMW N20, introduced in 2011, was the first four-cylinder BMW engine to be sold in the North American market in over a decade. This is not a recall. You are correct almost all the problem are in the States,,,all the engines are built in the same plant,,,there is a good chance that the fuel is the cause of these problems,,,,yes it is a good thing your car is not on the list. So for the E89 Z4 only the 28i N20 powered model is affected and not the 20i sDrive? The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. There are locking pins integrated inside the units. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. So temperatures make difference. (not including CAS) The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. Loaner vehicle was included. The boost control fault is caused by the vanos fault,,,you need to check into the the vanos faults to see whats going on. Hello, Refer to KSD2 for the corresponding flat rate unit (FRU) allowance. Ok,,,,no the sprocket does not have to be in a special position,,,,you have to lock down both camshaft with special tool,,,engine on TDC,,,,you have to tighten the chain tensioner and then you can tighten both vanos unit,,,you should be able to hand turn over the engine to TDC and lock down the camshafts again with the tool and you should be fine after that. and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? Hey, Ive been told by dealership that timing chain is tight and has passed their test. I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. Good day. Thanks again. Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? It is still worth inquiring about at your local dealership. N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME MODEL E84 E89 F10 F25 F30 F31 F34 . Please advice. 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached Thank You very much for your help. Coul it be timming change or leak some where? Warranty. Even if the engine is warm it still gives these same fault codes. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Hello BMW technician, I know there is a lawsuit going on with N20 timing chain in NJ District Court The improved DME software was introduced It idles fine and sounds much better than before. Thanks for your time. The connector may have a removable cover. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. I have a N20 Engine/ 328i April 2013 / F30, the dash states drivetrain malfunction and the check engine light went on. CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. It is a total mystery (to me) as to why it works now. Do not replace any parts. BMW replaced the motor and shipped it to us in AZ from Virginia. But the list post on this forum shows E84 X1 xDrive28i with N20 is a recall! 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. F025-13-07-506 for the F25 While mine does have some kind ofticking noise when it starts up, and I had noticed it prior to buying it, a mechanic I had check out the vehicle prior to the purchase said that all BMW engines make that noise and it is nothing to worry about. You referenced this TSB in your comment to Ronnie back in 2017. A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. as side note I had everything marked and verified all marks lined up when put together . 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML There have been no changes to the engine since the initial startup after the timing chain installation. Please advice me how can I go about with the local dealer? Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 Glossary of Emission Coverage attachment for more information. Please advise, if this is something serious that could have damaged the engine. I have a X1 E84 with the N20 engine. The short version of this story is that the car is working now. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? If governor works properly engine cant 9600 rpm. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. I took it to the bmw for a diagnostic and they said that Im just better off replacing the engine than trying to find out what is wrong with the car. programming and it fails to program correctly or requires initialization, this additional work must Did you ever solve this? Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. I have maintained it meticulously. I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. Nic. The dealership should be interested in fixing it because it means money for the tech and for the dealership,,,,that doesnt make any sense. everything in the vehicle works extremely well. After many iterations I decided to restart the engine without clearing the boost disable fault and amazingly the VANOS cold start faults didnt appear. unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. They look ok. Do you think it can be a ECU or software related issue? Bringing the BMW community together. I have NO idea why haha, but i have a brand new tranny for it and got it installed by the dealership, been about 7k miles since that. 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