We have long since learned that his elders were chosen amongst men who are unable or unwilling to hold him accountable for his words and behavior. So this is a rare type of malignant leader. I dont know if that makes any sense at all. You make complete sense. All those war metaphors mean something around Wilson. Even if we think that Lourdes consented (which I dont), Phillips disgusting actions are a violation of the Texas penal code. I realized the other day that one of my best friends follows one of the girls on Instagram (they follow back). Those can be rather uncomfortable for contact wearers. These folks make their living off this stuff. He has written or edited the following books (published by his own company Vision Forum): On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I read that link and thought it pretty bizarre! They are destroyers for the length of their lives. There are no words to describe the magnitude of shame I feel, or grief from the injury I caused my beloved bride and children, both of whom have responded to my repentance with what seems a supernatural love and forgiveness, he wrote. The fact that he is much older, married, and her employer, for one. And commenting on my own word choice, when I re-read my post, I thought why did I use the word could instead of would, as in most people WOULD recoil from narcissism up close vs most people COULD recoil from narcissism in close proximity if I were writing a book I would try to express that distinction better the modals could and would are not as clear as the determiners/quantifiers most, all, some.Oh well too much analysis for a Friday. I do not advise it. Wasnt thinking! But I do see your overall point Joe, or I think I do that both sides might not be disclosing the full truth of what was going on, but it is possible that Douggie has never had his logical faculties challenged before, and might not be realizing just how much he could be hanging himself by his words. He modified his abuse to suit the personalities of each of his five children, and he went about it methodically. Abuse messes with your mind and abuse victims dont respond the way we hope tjey will as a result. I told (the person in charge) that you would not mind at all coming in an hour early to turn up the thermostat. Typical sentence behind the sweet persons back, one adult female to another. The victim in this would have been Beall, with two people victimizing her. She was taking Doug Wilson to task in her post entitled Vice, Victims and Doug Wilson. We should grieve over the damage done, rejoice in his repentance, and wish him and his family nothing but the best. http://www.gocomics.com/thatababy/2012/03/07#.U101J_ldWSo. The word sweet needs to be taken out of our vocabulary when used to describe a grown woman. And talk about culture wars! The more public the figure, the more public the rebuke. "[12][13] On November 11, 2013, Vision Forum Ministries' board of directors discontinued operations citing "serious sins" which prompted Phillips' resignation. "That's what I love about her, she wears her heart on her sleeve," the father-of-two said. For another, a boyfriend doesnt ejaculate onto his girlfriend while she cries and asks him to stop. That is why this is fascinating. But I dont think thats what doesnt click in my head with him. Gotta love the Internet Archive. If any of the news is to be believed, then there is weaponry out there in the hands of people who hate us that could cause real havoc and destruction. Gee, how much money are they making on this deal? And yes, Wilson does use it in a mean way. Yes!!!! His wife and him seemed stranged for a while? I appreciate your input, which expands my thinking. Sadly, these are only the ones that are scandals. Havoc and mayhem *inevitably* followed her. Bezos idea for delivery drones is a bit too weird for the US The idea of ruling with an iron rod was understood to mean that his power would be such that evil would have no chance to prevail. I am thinking, and here is the point I am making, that anybody (that would be anybody for any reason) who sends anybody (self, child, religious follower, anybody) out to run with the pack unprepared to deal with this aspect of humanity is an enabler of the destructive results of unbridled sex / aggression. I dont know if that makes any sense at all. Yeah. And I think your mom is dead on - Doug totally has a fetish for a certain kind of cosplay. But the stereotype also fails because a person who has no heart loses intelligence. Maybe its because Im a southerner, but I dont see anything wrong with it, and I havent seen it used in a bad context at all. Doug Phillips, who is married with eight children, has announced he was stepping down from his Vision Forum Ministries, which is based in San Antonio, Texas. All those war metaphors mean something around Wilson. Sheesh! Youre right. Douglas Phillips, the man who founded Vision Forum Ministries, spoke strongly about family values, modesty/purity, about the role of fathers in Christian home, loving their wives, etc. She was a little girl in WWII. (Try N.T. I continue to believe that this whole thing should be sorted through by Christians, with a view to our testimony before a watching world. Im very interested in the survivalist connections in patriarchy but havent had time to sit down and do the legwork yet. FTFY . If you will sit and listen to them. So its already slouching away from the New Jerusalem and from that shaky theological GPS, its a hop, skip, and a jump toward becoming gnostic in process even if never in outright heretical beliefs of Gnosticism. Kind of like if someone writes me and says, God says people who wear sandals to church have to stand in the back row. And I write back and say, God makes people with sandals stand in the back row. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Phillips justified his behavior to Torres, the lawsuit claims, by telling her that he had intentions to marry her and that his wife, Beall, "was going to die soon." After her death, Torres could marry Phillips and "she would be the person who would have the great privilege of being his wife." If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Which, it seems to me, indicates he has created a closed, authoritarian system that is not so different from the one he supposedly critiques in Vision Forum. Not boycotting him at the moment. This is an extension of covenantal theology. doubleplusgoodthink INGSOC, doubleplusduckspeak INGSOC. I completely agree with you, Hester. (rare) A man who molests women, as in a subway. One commenter, Stacy McDonald (wife of patriarch James McDonald a colleague of Doug Phillips), chimed in on April 18 with these remarks: Thank you, Pastor Wilson! From an outsider looking in, it definitely seems like she (Faith) and Doug have common interests in cosplay, the performing arts, and a certain aesthetic. It says this because it is clear that there were instances where she did give consent, and her attorney wants to say that she was in effect in the position of a minor when she did so. The issue is that she does so without her head covered. Some thoughts. Besides, everyone is not going to believe her anyway. Not sure I understand your reply. The judge agreed and stated that the 24 year old was immature as a result of being sheltered through homeschooling. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. If I were a teacher and I got one of his posts on my desk, it would be handed back with this on at least one paragraph. She was contentious and contemptuous. Where she went, it divided groups, it split people from one another. Smart move! But that may not give her any legal relief any more than it gives others in similar situations with charismatic religious figures relief. They are innovating and changing theology, a claim theorists deny. Ive read that there are some cultural divides between northern and southern ID i.e., that the wingnut percentage of the population is bigger up north. Ive read that there are some cultural divides between northern and southern ID i.e., that the wingnut percentage of the population is bigger up north. Im pure as the driven snow, and I counsel lowly ADDICTS with just the Bible would not likely understand how insulted I felt. From what I have read, proving non-consent in ALL cases of er inappropriate romantic attention can be difficult if someone admits to one or two instances of consent, in a legal setting. And in the meantime, the perp is saying things like Im going to marry you when my wife dies, which would scare the bejeepers out of any young woman. Only we Americans in the gated first world privilege zone we call America could find anything remotely funny about drones. The couple is still happily living together. Have you read Divergent But that may not give her any legal relief any more than it gives others in similar situations with charismatic religious figures relief. or came it unto you only? He enjoys making people feel like crap. Things dont always turn out as one thought. I wrote Hester that Doug interests me because he is like my father was. In one of the links TWW provided in breaking the Wilson story, he (Wilson) and Torres-Manteufel were in 18th cent. I really am quite worried for her. Oh, Im sure thats what they want. I am not aware of cases where, for example, adults who join cults, can later sue the cult leader for civil damages because of things that happened at the cult unless those things are crimes or civil wrongs and the adult sued before the statute of limiations ran. So sorry about all of this stress!! In a situation like that, the word victim is appropriate. http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2012/11/doug-wilson-almost-channels-eric-cartman.html. Wonder what would have happened if gender roles were reversed??? @ May: I totally believe the plaintiff. You lost me there. Phillips then began to masturbate and ejaculated on her. Those patriarchal idiots and their wives do not have enough emotional intelligence in their bodies to understand such a nuance. The problem with the word sweet is that as soon as a woman can no longer be described with the word sweet, she is suddenly disqualified. His writing is a little dense and academic for me personally, but insightful nonetheless. Shes very talented. all the cases I have ever read of in the church were first brought to the attention of the church and the churches reply was to do nothing and cover the abuse up. And not just the appearance of contempt, but the substance: labeling, name-calling, sharp and over-the-top sarcasm designed to dehumanize, and other forms of minimization and marginalization. I may have hopes about the outcome. On November 11, 2013, Vision Forum Ministries' board of directors discontinued operations citing "serious sins" which prompted Phillips' resignation. And now, I must skedaddle. or trauma recovery (PTSD, repetition compulsion, depression, anxiety, etc.). I worry we will see more extreme opinions become doctrine as time goes on, even to the point of discussing the acceptability of slavery or mosaic law. Loss of discernment, too, allowing Wilson et al to bamboozle. @ Muff Potter: Cartman s mother knows about it all, but thats certainly another story, too. I pray that this woman gets justice, in whatever form she needs. Menken early in life so that he could get this write-up published in Slate magazine much later. They did not stop it. She could be an in-demand speaker, author, or just live like a hermit. Of course its important for the witness of Christians to handle these things appropriately. I. through A. of place 1. with 2. in B. of time 1.throughout 2. during I ask this because it seems like some of the survivalist women seem pretty capable and tough, in the best sense of the word, if one is to believe some of the things on some web sites about survivalism. If these guys can do it, so can I! Its not following Jesus or loving God and loving your neighbor, rather, its having the proper kind of hate for fellow human beings who happen not to be heterosexual. Even Wilson appears to understand this on some level. @ Rosmary Huskey: Doug Phillipss income source is mostly from being a successful . On the evidence I can see, I think Wilson was wrong to call the relationship adultery the balance of power was far too one-sided for that. He neglected to hear the church. The patriarch from Moscow, Idaho chimes in on the Doug Phillips debacle. Thus there is something to the evil genius stereotype. My takeaway, after reading the above quotes, is that Wilson and McDonald are more interested in keeping their patriarchy brand unsullied than in seeing justice be done. Survivalblog seems to be having some server issues, so some of their info is not accessible. (and the embossed Bible Verse is also a dead giveaway), Its gotta be good all the Christians are denouncing it!. But, we do like our vaunted leaders now, dont we. Most people whove never gone to or studied churches like that cant even conceive of such things. Things might have turned out better for Lourdes if shed spoken up sooner (a big MIGHT), but given the dynamics of abuse, theres no evidence that training her to speak up would have caused her to do so. Apparently Simon Phillips, a prolific actor as well as producer, was similarly happy, since Bessey is now working on two feature screenplays for Phillips. 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